Recap and fact-checking from the final presidential debate - Bring Me The News

Recap and fact-checking from the final presidential debate

GoMN is providing live updates and fact-checking from tonight's final presidential debate.
Author:
Publish date:
Image placeholder title

GoMN is providing live updates and fact-checking from tonight's final presidential debate. Click refresh to see the latest update.

9:43 p.m.

There was definitely more policy talk tonight and we think Chris Wallace did a great job as moderator, calling both candidates out when it was necessary.

But, almost immediately the big talking point from the debate is Trump's comment that he may not accept the result of the Nov. 8 election, amid statements he's made recently that the election is "rigged" against him.

Either way, we're done with debates. Thanks for reading and keep an eye out for many more election stories coming on GoMN in the coming weeks.

Oh, and go vote next month!

To find news, commentary, and local events leading up to the 2016 election, head to GoVoteMN.

9:40 p.m.

One last fact check: Donald Trump's economic plan aims to grow the economy by up to 4 percent a year (it's been growing at a rate between 1.6 and 2.6 percent since 2009, CNN Money says).

So will his plan work? Recent analysis says no – it'll actually shrink it by 4 percent, Vox reports.

9:38 p.m.

And we're done. Phew.

9:37 p.m.

"We are going to make America strong again and we are going to make America great again," Trump says, after making an appeal to the Latino and black communities.

"We do not want four more years of Barack Obama and that's what you will get with her."

9:36 p.m.

Wallace asks candidates to give some final lines, which he says they weren't aware of.

Clinton clearly has something prepared.

"I will do everything I can to make sure you have good jobs with rising incomes, that you kids will have good education from pre-school through college. I hope you give me that chance."

9:35 p.m.

Fact check: What might actually happen under either Clinton's or Trump's economic policies is forecasting – there's no way to know for sure what would happen. But as the Washington Post writes, one recent analysis by a watchdog group found Clinton's plans would add about $200 billion to the national debt. $150 billion of that is deemed "unfunded policies."

Trump's plan, meanwhile has $100 billion in unfunded policies -- but also loses $4.5 trillion in revenue strictly in tax cuts. "He hasn't proposed enough spending changes to account for significantly lower income for the federal government," the Post writes.

9:34 p.m.

Clinton is asked would she increase taxes and cut benefits to save Social Security and Medicare. She says she wants to put more money into the pot to pay for both.

She wants to replenish the trust fund "by making sure we have sufficient resources," but she says she will "not cut benefits."

She says Trump's tax cuts will add to national debt which will have "dire consequences on Social Security and Medicare." She says repealing the ACA would diminish funding for Medicare.

9:33 p.m.

Now we're onto entitlements, namely the welfare budget which is a huge cost for the government, particularly Medicare and Social Security.

"I'm cutting taxes, we're going to grow the economy at a record rate," Trump says, before going on to talking about repealing the Affordable Care Act. Doesn't really address Medicare and Social Security.

9:32 p.m.

Clinton says she pays for everything in her economic plan, "I do not add a penny to the national debt."

"We will have what economists call 'middle-out growth,'" she says, "I want to invest in you, I want to invest in your family."

Here's some details on middle-out growth, courtesy of the New York Times.

9:30 p.m.

Time for one more: National debt. Wallace says Clinton's economic plan would increase national debt to 86 percent of GDP, Trump's would be well over 100 percent.

Here's Trump's economic plan again.

9:25 p.m.

One update on Aleppo: Russia, which has been performing bombings from the air in support of Syrian government forces, this week announced planned for an 8-hour "humanitarian" ceasefire in the city. Syrian forces will also not fire weapons during that time, Al Jazeera reported.

In the area of Aleppo, Syria, pro-government forces are battling against anti-government rebel groups who have banded together. It's turned the once-thriving city into a warzone.

9:23 p.m.

Clinton is asked about her policy to implement a no-fly zone in Syrian airspace, which Wallace suggests could exacerbate tensions with Russia and Syrians and which President Obama opposes.

She is asked whether she would instruct a Russian plane violating the no-fly zone shot down.

Clinton hasn't answered the question yet, pivoting to Trump's comments on her letting Syrian refugees in, saying they will do "very careful vetting."

9:20 p.m.

Talk moves onto Aleppo, with Wallace pointing out that Russia has been bombing and shelling Aleppo.

"It's a disaster, a humanitarian nightmare," Trump says, "but it has fallen." He adds that: "A lot of this is because of Hillary Clinton."

"Bigly," which Trump has said twice tonight, is trending on Twitter.

9:16 p.m.

Fact check: Donald Trump, for a third debate, denies that he ever supported the Iraq war.

He did. It's been widely reported.

9:14 p.m.

Fact check: Clinton earlier mentioned Trump University was sued for fraud and racketeering.

Trump University was in fact sued under federal racketeering charges, with students claiming they were cheated into paying as much as $35,000 under false promises of seminars and workshops, as Bloomberg reported. That trial is set to start Nov. 28. Trump's lawyers have argued the claims don't constitute racketeering.

9.10 p.m.

Foreign hot-spots next. Here is Clinton's foreign policy and her national security proposals.

Clinton again states she doesn't approve of sending ground troops in there, but says she's hopeful the work American military advisers and special forces have been doing to help Iraqi fighters force back ISIS will continue, following news that ISIS forces are fleeing Mosul.

She says Syria will continue to be a hotspot while the civil war continues, "aided and abetted by Iran and Russia."

9:09 p.m.

"That is not how democracy works," Clinton says, citing centuries of precedent of losing candidates accepting defeat.

"He is denigrating out democracy."

9:07 p.m.

Trump is asked by Wallace is about his comments about this election being "rigged," and Trump backtracks on his previously contentions that he would accept the electoral results.

Trump effectively says he will wait to see what happens on the night.

9:06 p.m.

Fact check: Trump claims all the accusations of sexual misconduct against him have been "debunked." Politico has a list of all the women who have claimed Donald Trump groped or sexually assaulted them. 

Just this week, People spoke with six people who corroborated the details of one of the women's claims.. That woman, Natasha Stoynoff, said Trump "forc[ed] his tongue" down her throat when she visited his Mar-a-Lago Club in 2005. 

So have any of the claims been "debunked?" Trump has repeatedly called them false, but the only reports of debunking come from partisan sites, that includes anecdotes like a plane an alleged incident took place on not having moveable arm rests as the woman claimed; or citing a Facebook post from Trump that says one of the accusers stayed in touch with him, so "why would she be reaching out for help" form him later? 

9:03 p.m.

Trump now is quizzed on the Trump Foundation, which the Washington Post has done some serious digging into, and found that the foundation appears to have been used to pay for settlements in some of Trump's lawsuits.

9:02 p.m.

Clinton avoids the question, citing the work her charity does, but Wallace pushes her. "It's a criminal enterprise," Trump says, Clinton says there's no evidence of "pay to play." At least, we think she did, there's a lot of shouting.

Trump mentions the money her foundation has taken from Middle Eastern countries. "Countries that push gays off buildings."

She cites the work her foundation has done to help Haiti after natural disasters, and "we're going to keep working to help Haiti."

"They don't want you to help them anymore," Trump says.

9 p.m.

Clinton is quizzed on the Clinton Foundation, with Wallace citing emails showing donors got special access to her while Secretary of State, and some donors getting government contracts.

You can read more on it from the New York Times here.

8:58 p.m.

Clinton keeps the focus on women, and then widens the scope, mentioning he "went after" a disabled reporter on national television, as well as war heroes like John McCain, POWs and the Khan "Gold Star" family.

"This is a pattern, a pattern of divisiveness, of a very dark and dangerous vision of our country," she says.

"That is not who America is."

8:56 p.m.

"Nobody has more respect for women, than I do," Trump says.

He calls it fiction, before pivoting onto Clinton's emails. He earlier poked fun at Clinton for a similar pivot.

8:53 p.m.

Fact check: Earlier, Trump said Clinton "gave us ISIS."

8:51 p.m.

Next up: Fitness to be president of the United States, and Trump is asked about his accusations of sexual impropriety, asking why so many women would make up that he has done this (there have been 10-plus).

"Those stories have been largely debunked," he says, accusing Clinton's campaign as being behind it.

8:49 p.m.

8:47 p.m.

Trump points out that India and China has growth of 8 and 7 percent compared to American growth, which is in the low single digits. There's a problem with comparing the U.S. economy to those of nations that until recently weren't fully developed.

8:45 p.m.

Fact check: Clinton says analysts have said a Trump presidency will cause the U.S. to lose 3.5 million jobs. This is the figure cited in a report by Moody's Analytics.

Moody's also said that if Trump's economic proposals are adopted, the economic downturn would last longer than the Great Recession, unemployment would rise to 7 percent, prices of homes would fall and the stock market would drop.

8:43 p.m.

Fact check: Clinton accused Trump earlier of exploiting "undocumented workers" during construction of some of his hotels.

At least a few of Donald Trump's projects have used undocumented workers, including construction of Trump Tower in 1979-80. But Trump and his reps have said those instances – as well as reports of undocumented workers on a $200 million hotel in Washington D.C. – was the fault of contractors. You can read more from Slate.

8:42 p.m.

Trump next. You can read his economic policy here, saying he wants to renegotiate trade deals, before name-checking several swing-states including Ohio and Florida, where he says jobs have fled to Mexico because of NAFTA.

"We're going to terminate it, we're going to make a great deal."

He says he will cut taxes massively and business taxes. You can read his tax plan here.

8:40 p.m.

Policy point: Next up is the economy, and here's Clinton’s economic policy.

"When the middle-class thrives, America thrives." She wants to give middle classes better opportunities, calls for the biggest job creation drive since World War 2, many of which would come through small business and clean energy.

She also refers to making college debt-free for as many students as possible, invoking Bernie Sanders. You can read about it here.

Then she goes onto her tax plan, which you can read here, before saying Trump's plan would cost 3.5 million jobs and lead to another "great recession."

8:35 p.m.

Fact check: Trump said that President Obama has deported "millions and millions" through immigration orders during his tenure.

According to ABC News, President Barack Obama's administration deported more than 2.5 million people from 2009-2015 through immigration orders. That's more than any other president's administration in history.

Deportations under Obama peaked in 2012, at nearly 409,000 people, The Hill said. And the president was referred to by some as "deporter in chief." But the rate did slow down, with an expected 230,000 deportations forecast for fiscal year 2016 -- which would be the lowest figure in a decade.

8:33 p.m.

Fact check: Clinton said that Trump didn't even bring up the Mexican wall during his meeting with Mexico President Enrique Peña Nieto back in August.

But CNN says the two did discuss the wall Trump wants to build, but Trump said they didn't talk who would pay for it. Peña Nieto said later he "made it clear" to Trump that Mexico wouldn't be paying for it.

8:30 p.m.

Fact check: Clinton now being quizzed on "open borders," which according to Wikileaks releases she has mentioned during a private speech given to Wall St. bankers, with Trump suggesting the implication is that she wants open borders for migration.

She says this relates to energy and the possibilities of trade with other nations. Clinton turns it into an attack on Wikileaks' links to Russia, and calls on Trump to reject Russian espionage and cosy links with Putin. You can read more background on this here, courtesy of Politico.

What Clinton said does relates to energy and trade, with no mention of immigration albeit she does say "borders": "My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere."

8:25 p.m.

Clinton next, you can read her immigration reform here. She says she backs better border controls, but also wants to make a pathway towards citizenship for the illegal aliens currently living in the country.

Here's some light relief.

8:23 p.m.

Policy point: The second question relates to immigration.

Trump goes first, here's his immigration policy, and his comments relate mainly to the drugs coming through the Mexican border, mentions the wall he wants to build, and says we have some bad "hombres" here.

8:22 p.m.

Fact check: Clinton's views on gun control have changed in recent years, but so have the "pro-life" Trump's on abortion.

Trump used to support partial-birth abortion, and even described himself as "very pro-choice" in 1999. But in 2015, Trump said multiple times his position has evolved and changed over the years. He cited a friend's experience with a baby that caused his views to change.

8:21 p.m.

Fact check: Trump says Chicago has the country's toughest gun laws, but also has the most violence.

Well, according to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, Illinois' laws get a B+, which puts the state at No. 8 out of 50 for its strong gun laws. As for gun deaths, it comes in at No. 40 our of 50 for states with the most gun deaths.

8:20 p.m.

Trump says late-term abortion, the act of ripping "the baby out of the womb," is not acceptable.

Clinton says "that is not what happens," accusing Trump of "scare rhetoric." Here's a Huffington Post piece on late-term abortion.

8:18 p.m.

Clinton is quizzed on her abortion stance, which states that a fetus has no constitutional rights and her voting record against bans on late-term abortions.

"The cases that fall at the end of pregnancy are often the most heart-breaking, painful decisions," saying she has met women who have been told their health is in jeopardy come the end of term.

"I don't think the U.S. government should be stepping in and making a decision on those most personal moments."

8:17 p.m.

Trump is asked whether he wants to see Roe v Wade overturned, he doesn't say whether he wants to or not really, but he does say it will happen if he's appointed president, mainly because of the kind of justices he will appoint, with the decision on whether to implement then deferred to the states.

Fact check:Clinton said 33,000 people a year die from guns. The CDC, citing data from 2014, puts the number of firearm deaths at 33,736

8:15 p.m.

We're talking about the D.C. vs Heller decision on the second amendment, here's some background on that case.

8:12 p.m.

Clinton, completely rejecting Trump's argument that she doesn't support the second amendment, but she does believe there needs to be extra protections.

It's worth noting that according to CNN, Clinton's stance on gun control has changed over the years.

8:09 p.m.

Donald Trump next.

"It's just so imperative that we have the right justices," and he says it's important the SCOTUS upholds the second amendment, which he says is "under siege from Clinton."

His justices will be "pro-life, have a conservative bent, will protect the second amendment" and they are "great scholars" and will interpret the constitution "the way founders wanted it."

8.05 p.m.

Aaaaand here we go – first up, The Supreme Court, the flexibility of the constitution, and where do candidates want the court to take the country.

Clinton is up first. "I feel strongly that the SCOTUS needs to stand on the side of the American people, not on the side of the powerful corporations and the wealthy."

She wants a SCOTUS that stands up for women's and LGBT rights, and stands up to "Citizens United" (relating to election campaign financing) more on which you can read here.

She doesn't want to see Roe v Wade, which legalizes abortion, reversed.

Her ideal appointee is someone who "stands up to the powerful," and she criticizes the Congress for failing to pass the nominee that President Obama suggested.

7:50 p.m.

Bit of interesting context for those expecting Donald Trump to go on the attack against Clinton (let's face it, he will): Clinton spent more time defending herself during the last debate.

But even if he "wins" tonight, FiveThirtyEight reports he has an uphill struggle to win come Nov. 8, considering he is down in the polls and historically third presidential debates have had less impact on voters than the first two.

7:40 p.m.

We're 20 minutes from the start so here's what you need to know.

Tonight's debate will return to the format of the first one, which will see the moderator, FOX News anchor Chris Wallace, ask questions of Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, who will be given time to respond before it is opened for further discussion.

Unlike the first debate, which centered on three topics, tonight there are six that will take up 15 minutes each.

They are:

  • Debt and entitlements
  • Immigration
  • The economy
  • The Supreme Court
  • Foreign hot spots
  • Fitness to be president

You can read a little more about each candidate's positions on each right here.

And here's a summary of the major storylines concerning each candidate heading into tonight's debate, which are more than likely to be brought up.

To find news, commentary, and local events leading up to the 2016 election, head to GoVoteMN.

Next Up

Related