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Recap and fact-checking from the first presidential debate

A recap and fact-check of proceedings from Monday night's presidential debate between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.
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This is the recap of proceedings at tonight's presidential debate between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.

9:50 p.m.

One final update, Twitter has revealed the three most tweeted about moments during the debate, courtesy of the Guardian.

1. Trump says he has “good temperament”
2. Trump comments on stop and frisk
3. Trump and Clinton exchange over plan for defeating ISIS

Google meanwhile has revealed which candidate was searched for more during the debate.

https://twitter.com/GoogleTrends/status/780600065433882624

9:45 p.m.

Aaaaaand it's over. Breathe people, relax until the second one on Oct. 9 (there's a VP debate on Oct. 4, but I dare say it won't be that stressful) and thanks for reading.

Here's an interesting takeaway for the night from Merriam Webster.

https://twitter.com/MerriamWebster/status/780596822557491201

9:40 p.m.

Fact check: Hillary Clinton says Trump has claimed that pregnancy is an inconvenience for business.

He did say that, according to Slate.

“Pregnancy is never—it’s a wonderful thing for the woman. It's a wonderful thing for the husband. It's certainly an inconvenience for a business,” Trump said.

Nonetheless, here are Trump's proposals on child care.

9:35 p.m. 

Fact check: Donald Trump says China could sort out the issues with North Korea's race for nuclear arms, Politifact says he is exaggerating the power China wields over North Korea.

China expert Robert Ross told the website: "It’s similar to dealing with a rebellious adolescent. Do the parents have total control? Perhaps – they provide food and shelter.

"But the cost to the parents of using such leverage can be prohibitive – driving a child out of the house and away from the family. China has much at stake in its strategic and economic relationship with North Korea. But is there total control? That is debatable."

https://twitter.com/PolitiFact/status/780595243553026049

9:30 p.m.

Fact check: Donald Trump says "nuclear armament is a bigger threat than global warming.

There are websites that consider this question, and nuclear war is considered one of the biggest single threats to human existence.

At the end of the day though, it's ultimately a matter of opinion, so technically we can't fact check it.

Nonetheless, here's IFLScience on it, which ranks nuclear war as No. 1.

And here's Alternet, which has global warming as No. 1.

9:22 p.m.

"I have much better judgement than her, there's no question about that. I also have a better temperament," Trump said.

https://twitter.com/Seth_Kaplan/status/780593412923949058

9:16 p.m.

Hillary Clinton says that Donald Trump supported the invasion of Iraq. "Wrong," Trump replies.

He did, and this has been proved extensively, albeit he later reversed his position, but only after the invasion.

He said it in 2002. He continues to deny it after Lester Holt calls him on it, saying its a "mainstream lie created by 'her'."

Here's NBC News on this.

9:15 p.m.

Fact check: Hillary Clinton says Russia hacked the Democratic National Committee, but Donald Trump says we don't know for sure.

They're both right – kind of.

Experts say it's likely Russia who did the hacking, but the U.S. government hasn't formally named the group that leaked thousands of DNC emails, PolitiFact reports.

9:13 p.m.

Conversation turns to domestic terrorism, and there's mention of the recent mall attack in St. Cloud as one of the examples of homegrown incidents that have possible links to terrorism.

https://twitter.com/esmemurphy/status/780592066694787073

9:10 p.m.

Next it's Donald Trump, and says there's no proof that Russia has perpetrated any cyber attacks on the U.S. (fact check coming) and says he agrees with some of what Clinton says about fighting cyber crime.

Again, no specific "security" section on his site, but here's where he stands on immigration reform and a comparison by Lifehacker on both candidates' cyber-security policies.

9:07 p.m.

Next it's cyber security, with Hillary Clinton speaking first – and inevitably brings up Russia and Trump's previous praise of Vladimir Putin.

Here's Hillary Clinton's security plans here.

9:02 p.m.

Fact check: Donald Trump says stop and frisk brought down the murder rate in New York City, from 2,200 to 500. The murder rate did drop from 2,200 in a year in the 1990s, to fewer than 500 in 2007, New York Magazine reported.

The publication said the mayor attributed the drop in homicides to tougher gun control policies, and noted there was a drop in crime nationwide during that time span. 

New York City also saw its murder rate drop to a historic low earlier this year, according to the Huffington Post, city officials attributed it to getting more guns off the street.

The Atlantic looked into stop and frisk, saying it didn't make New York City streets safer. 

https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery/status/780587160655261697

8:58 p.m.

Fact check: Hillary Clinton said the murder rate has continued to go down in New York, Donald Trump disagreed.

The NYPD reports that murder is down by more than 31 percent so far this year.

8:55 p.m.

They agree! Both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump agree that people on the suspected terrorist no-fly list should be subject to similar restrictions on buying firearms.

8:52 p.m.

Fact check: Hillary Clinton said that guns are the leading cause of death of young African American males.

Almost, but not quite.

According to CDC figures from 2013, "homicide" is the biggest cause of death among African Americans aged 18-34 but guns won't be involved in every one of these cases.

But guns were used for a lot of them, African Americans between the ages of 15 and 24, the homicide rate was 2,416 (2,256 by guns). The next nine categories totaled 2,119 deaths for that age group.

8:50 p.m.

Donald Trump next, he is heavy on the phrase "law and order" which he says Clinton failed to use.

There isn't a section on law and order on Trump's "positions" website, but there is one on second amendment rights, which you can read here.

8:47 p.m.

Lester Holt moves onto law and order, with Hillary Clinton responding with her plans to solve some of the problems in the criminal justice system.

Here's her plans on criminal justice reform.

8:45 p.m.

Fact check: Hillary Clinton claims Donald Trump's companies have filed for bankruptcy six times, Trump replies that it was four times he made use of tax laws.

But reports from earlier this year suggest that Clinton is correct, like this one from NBC News which says Trump companies went into "reorganization" six times.

  • Trump Taj Mahal Associates, Atlantic City casino — 1991
  • Trump Castle Hotel & Casino, Atlantic City casino — 1992
  • Trump Plaza Associates, Atlantic City casino — 1992
  • Plaza Operating Partners, Manhattan hotel — 1992
  • Trump Casino Holdings, Atlantic City casinos — 2004
  • Trump Entertainment Resorts, Atlantic City casinos — 2009

8:40 p.m.

Fact check: Hillary Clinton claims that Donald Trump has not paid any federal income tax ("It'd be squandered too," Trump says), but this claim is not accurate, according to Politifact.

https://twitter.com/PolitiFact/status/780581853120061440

8:37 p.m.

Fact check: Donald Trump has just said "you don't learn a lot about tax returns, you do learn a lot about financial disclosures."

Politifact rates that as untrue.

https://twitter.com/politifact/status/780580953601245184

8:35 p.m.

Fact check: Donald Trump says that the Democrats have overseen the worst ever recovery from a recession.

In 2012, Forbes wrote this piece on "the worst recovery since the Great Depression," saying President Obama became America's first "backward-looking regressive."

That said, CNN Money wrote in June that the more recent progress made means the recovery has improved significantly since 2012, and could be better than the recovery from the 2001 downturn.

So it definitely was true, slightly less now, but still pretty accurate.

8:30 p.m.

Fact check: Earlier tonight, Donald Trump claimed that he never said global warming was a hoax perpetrated by China.

He did, he tweeted it four years ago, but tonight his team appears to have deleted it.

8:25 p.m.

Fact check: Donald Trump has hit Clinton on her tax plans. He claims she will inflict one of the greatest tax increases in history if she is elected.

Analysis by the Tax Policy Center says that her plans would increase taxes on the wealthy (people earning more than $730,000) – something Clinton just freely admitted – which would see them pay an extra $78,000.

As for the rest, the "vast majority of tax filers ... would see little change in their after-tax income," the organization says, as reported by CNN. Still, in terms of the levy on the rich, it would be a significant increase.

8:22 p.m.

Fact check: Donald Trump says he got his start in business thanks to a "small loan" from his father.

Whether this is accurate or not depends on what your definition of a small loan is.

https://twitter.com/StephensWSJ/status/780576612723064833

8:20 p.m.

Some context on other countries attracting companies overseas:

The Economist reports that over the past 30 years, American companies have been moving abroad by acquiring or merging foreign companies as a way of shifting their tax bases to foreign, lower taxation countries.

Trump wants to stop companies from leaving, Clinton also has policies in place to stop so-called "tax inversion," which you can read more about here.

8:12 p.m.

Donald Trump goes next and he references the jobs that are going to other countries, namely China and Mexico.

Policy pledge: Stop companies leaving our country by reducing taxes and renegotiating our trade deals.

You can read more on Trump's tax proposals here.

You can read what he says on U.S.-China trade here.

8:07 p.m.

First question relates to job creation, and Hillary Clinton answers first.

Policy pledge: Raising the national minimum wage, ensuring equal pay for women, paid family leave and paid sick leave, and ensuring the wealthy pay their fair share.

Here's Clinton's policy on fair tax.

Here's her jobs policy.

8:00 p.m.

We're almost underway. Remember, the topics tonight are: "America’s Direction; Achieving Prosperity; and Securing America."

7.40 p.m.

The BringMeTheNews team will be following proceedings at the presidential debate which gets underway at 8 p.m.

As well as highlighting any policy pledges flagged up by the candidates, we will conduct and curate fact-checking on some of the significant statements made by the two presidential nominees.

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